camo fox
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i agree with woodsie. If you don't speak good english, and have a car full of people then of course you are going to be asked for ID. I mean, hell, I'm not a cop, or any type pf law enforcement for that matter, but I often wonder who is legal and who isn't if they can't spak english... I can only imagine what law enforcement think when they come across that situation.
Point is, If you're legal you're legal, and don't have any issues proving it- REGARDLESS OF RACE. Here in the US, you are proud to be a citizen, am I wrong?!
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jhess
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twin turbo pervert wrote:Sir-lance wrote:I dont understand what the big deal is with asking for ID of anyone regardless of race. If your here legally and not doing anything wrong then whats the big deal.
Agreed, however, hispanic looking folks could be asked for their ID's many times in a short amount of time, how about 3-4 or more times in a week? how about per day?, and if on top of that what if the person is an upstanding law abiding citizen?.
Wouldn't you feel harassed?
That is the big deal. The only reason the cops would be asking for identity,is in a case of identification!We can't help it that Mexico is on the southern border,the same thing would happen if Haiti was on that border.Not all Hispanics are Mexican.The law applies to all.You have a choice,law or lawlessness!If you are a businessman,you need law.
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GreyGrizz
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WoodsRuner wrote:Point is, it is not about race, it isn't even about illegal workers, it is about crime. Arizonans are tired of their citizens being murdered, raped, kidnapped, robbed, homes invaded, ect. The large majority of this is being committed by illegals, regardless of country of origin.
Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the country, thanks to illegals kidnapping citizens, and other illegals as well. 800-1200 teenage girls a year are being kidnapped between CA and TX, and sold to drug lords south of the border to be sex, or otherwise, slaves. Some are returned, by ransom or by force, some are never seen again. The Feds won't enforce their own laws, so someone needs to do it. It has to stop. Woodsi I agree with you as to why Arizona passed this law. I commend their State Government for actually acting on the people's concerns and issues. We have immigration issues here, but unlike Arizona, our State takes the Obama approach: throw money at the problem, and hope it goes away. Here in Massachusetts, the lefty majority, seem to act solely on their own Socialist agenda, and not the peoples. We have a lot of Asian immigrants in the largest city near us. They started coming in late 70's, mostly from Cambodia and Thailand. Now a good number of them are decent, law abiding people, and legitimately earned the right to be citizens, but a substantial number are involved in violent criminal gangs. Car jacking, home invasions, kidnapping, drug crimes, you name it. And what does Mass do? Throw money at them; subsidized housing, welfare, 30 thousand dollars, their first year here, to get them established, and more. And the way their surnames are(sometimes a dozen words or more)they rearrange their names and apply for benefits under multitudes of entities. Hopefully people will wake up, in this State and vote for reformed immigration laws here too.
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GreyGrizz
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I was watching the evening news several nights ago, following the FBI roundup of collaborators to the would be NYC, times square bomber. Several Muslim extremists only about 30 miles from me, were taken into custody. Well the reporter did a follow up story on illegal immigrants here in MA. He had done some research and I was shocked at the statistics. Approximately 180,000 illegals are living in Ma. Shocking yes, but here's the kicker: upwards of 80% are getting State provided living assistance. Including the Muslims just picked up, by the Fed's. I couldn't believe it.
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WoodsRuner
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Illegals are costing AZ $3 billion a year in public assistance, health care costs (thanks to the Federal law requiring anyone who comes into an emergency room to get care, whether they have insurance or can pay for their treatment or not), and unpaid income taxes. This is another reason for the law.
On a side note, some members of the State House here in Ohio offered up a bill very similar to the one in AZ. Our "illustrious" Democrap Governor immediately stated he would veto it. It never got to the floor, even with some 300,000 illegals in the state. I have seen some of them. They were drywall hangers, stone masons, carpet layers, carpenters, brick layers, and concrete workers. They do good work I have to say, and get paid about 1/2 what an American non-union crew gets paid, and about 1/3 of what Union tradesmen earn. So don't believe what the politicians say about illegals doing work Americans won't do, it is BS.
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Calling a illegal immigrant an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmicist". Both are criminals!
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GreyGrizz
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Boston just had a rally and demonstration, by Hispanics, protesting the new Arizona laws, and demanding sanctions. The organizers said that many groups were there, including Mexicans, Porto Ric ans, Dominicans, and so forth. Seemed to be mostly Mexicans on the news footage, waving Mex flags and not separating into different ethnic groups. So, if these people are in such need of benefits; how or better yet who, supplies them with funds, to organize and run these events. To me it would seem like the perfect time to check green cards, and load up the deportation vehicles. But that would be un-ethical, in such a "giving" State as Massachusetts.
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Sir-lance
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I often wonder if other countries let people come and go freely across their boarders? For some reason I dought they do so why are we?
If I was Pres. and had the power Id go to the Mexican Government and say " You will stop your people from crossing our boarder or Mexico will become America, your whole government will be slaughtered".
If our Gov. had any balls at all this issue would be delt with in one phone call. The Mexican Gov. would fear that we would make good on our word and deal with it themselves. I know thats sounds harsh but if were gonna pay for them through social programs then they should have to pay taxes and follow the laws just like we do.
On a side note...I would also forbid anything made, assembles or grown in Mexico to ever cross our boarders and stick my middle finger up to companys that moved their operations from Canada and the U.S. to Mexico.
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WoodsRuner
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If you are caught in Mexico illegally, the first time it can mean 2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. The second time it is 10 years, and the third time they throw away the key to your cell. And from what I have heard, you do not want to spend even a day in a Mexican Federal prison if you are white.
Polaris is moving one of their Wisconsin plants to Mexico. 515 Americans will be out of a job.
http://www.startribune.com/business/94533809.html?elr=KArksUUUycaEacyU
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Sir-lance
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My beloved Can-Am says Made in Mexico on it, 2007 was around the time they moved and put all those Canadians out of work.
I came up with another solution, go ahead and build the fence like they started to do in Bushes last year of office. Train our armed forces all along the boarder and shoot anyone that comes within rifle range of the fence. This problem would stop.
I still think taking over the whole country is a better idea in the long run. Do they have any natural resources we can steal? I dought they do otherwise we would have already made Mexico part of America.
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WoodsRuner
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They have oil, their #1 source of National income. We buy most of it. Money sent from illegals back to Mexico is their #2 source of income.
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